Is a more 'successful' artist a better arts teacher? - Classroom 2.02024-03-28T12:32:37Zhttps://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/is-a-more-successful-artist-a-better-arts-teacher?commentId=649749%3AComment%3A903587&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThis is an interesting topic,…tag:www.classroom20.com,2013-04-13:649749:Comment:9259842013-04-13T10:48:41.129ZEffie Fotakihttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/EffieFotaki
<p>This is an interesting topic, but you need to define what an artistic 'all-rounder' is... It could be a person that has a wide and varied view and notion about arts, which to me translates to art theorists. Otherwise I haven't understood your question well and I am sorry about that. I teach photography in FE and I think there is space for both successful practitioners and art theorists in educating aspiring photographers. I think there should be variety of tutors, who are experts in…</p>
<p>This is an interesting topic, but you need to define what an artistic 'all-rounder' is... It could be a person that has a wide and varied view and notion about arts, which to me translates to art theorists. Otherwise I haven't understood your question well and I am sorry about that. I teach photography in FE and I think there is space for both successful practitioners and art theorists in educating aspiring photographers. I think there should be variety of tutors, who are experts in different disciplines within the subjects taught, in any educational institution so there can be balance in the learning environment. </p>
<p>The risk with only having art theorists in a course is that there can be minimal links with industry and not enough practical guidance on how to survive life after college. As a student, you might get a varied knowledge on a subject and wide exposure to work by interesting artists, which is definitely inspiring but you might not acquire skills that are immediately usable in the market and you will probably need to spend equal amount of time doing that after college.</p>
<p>The disadvantages of having tutors that are experts on one area or another within a discipline means that students could miss out on skills that are not covered by the knowledge-base of the tutors.</p>
<p>This is my take on your question, if I got it wrong, could you please explain what you mean by artistic all rounder and what level of education you are referring to?</p> I dont think so. Art teachers…tag:www.classroom20.com,2013-01-24:649749:Comment:9066192013-01-24T21:58:03.293ZNader A Batayehhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/NaderABatayeh
<p>I dont think so. Art teachers in general dont necessarily have to be successful ( if that means they sold many of their works) in order to be great at instructing others of his/her processes. They must be good communicators, have a passion for what they do and have a plan for their students. </p>
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<p>I dont think so. Art teachers in general dont necessarily have to be successful ( if that means they sold many of their works) in order to be great at instructing others of his/her processes. They must be good communicators, have a passion for what they do and have a plan for their students. </p>
<p> </p> Thanks Ellie,
My inner singe…tag:www.classroom20.com,2013-01-20:649749:Comment:9054162013-01-20T10:48:47.244ZColin Chaplinhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/ColinChaplin
<p>Thanks Ellie,</p>
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<p>My inner singer is a dangerous character, and is best left very closely guarded!!!</p>
<p>Thanks Ellie,</p>
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<p>My inner singer is a dangerous character, and is best left very closely guarded!!!</p> Aspirate is a use of breath C…tag:www.classroom20.com,2013-01-20:649749:Comment:9051692013-01-20T10:42:20.480ZEllie Nelsonhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/EllieNelson
Aspirate is a use of breath Colin! Particularly on words that shouldn't contain much like plosive consonants such as B and D hope this helps you to release your inner singer! ;-) x
Aspirate is a use of breath Colin! Particularly on words that shouldn't contain much like plosive consonants such as B and D hope this helps you to release your inner singer! ;-) x Hi Lucy,
Thank you for your r…tag:www.classroom20.com,2013-01-20:649749:Comment:9051622013-01-20T09:35:48.513ZColin Chaplinhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/ColinChaplin
<p>Hi Lucy,</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. I like your point about a successful artist having other equally qualified contacts to call upon for workshops etc. On another point, artists are notoriously hopeless at self promotion. We find comfort and solace with our work and our practice. The 'brashness' which has to accompany successful self-promotion is left to those in the galleries and agencies who 'look after' us.</p>
<p>Hi Lucy,</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. I like your point about a successful artist having other equally qualified contacts to call upon for workshops etc. On another point, artists are notoriously hopeless at self promotion. We find comfort and solace with our work and our practice. The 'brashness' which has to accompany successful self-promotion is left to those in the galleries and agencies who 'look after' us.</p> Yeah I found this a good poin…tag:www.classroom20.com,2013-01-19:649749:Comment:9051402013-01-19T21:45:47.219ZAndrea Thompsonhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/AndreaThompson
<p>Yeah I found this a good point, as you don't always want to show your vulnerable side to someone who's done well, maybe afraid to explore and experiment incase you might not do as well as you want to, just sticking to your comfort zones instead. It can also push you to show that person what you can do and can get you to push the boundaries. I think it's all about how they present themselves, as a person who is there to be learned from, for them to impart all there wisdom onto you, or a…</p>
<p>Yeah I found this a good point, as you don't always want to show your vulnerable side to someone who's done well, maybe afraid to explore and experiment incase you might not do as well as you want to, just sticking to your comfort zones instead. It can also push you to show that person what you can do and can get you to push the boundaries. I think it's all about how they present themselves, as a person who is there to be learned from, for them to impart all there wisdom onto you, or a person who you can learn with, who'll share ideas and encourages you to explore and develop your ideas and thoughts, even if they don't agree. What does the teacher want the students to know, information or themselves!</p>
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<p>So I don't know if it matters about the teacher being a successful artist, it's about communication and giving the students freedom to learn and so becomes less about who and what the teacher has done and more about what the students will do.</p> Hi Sylwia,
Thank you for you…tag:www.classroom20.com,2013-01-19:649749:Comment:9051232013-01-19T18:19:22.503ZColin Chaplinhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/ColinChaplin
<p>Hi Sylwia,</p>
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<p>Thank you for your reply. I agree with you, and your point of view. it is obvious that you have a very 'visual arts' background and way of thinking... You are right in what you say, but the student would also need a huge amount of confidence and self-belief...</p>
<p>Hi Sylwia,</p>
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<p>Thank you for your reply. I agree with you, and your point of view. it is obvious that you have a very 'visual arts' background and way of thinking... You are right in what you say, but the student would also need a huge amount of confidence and self-belief...</p> I still agree!!! It's a hard…tag:www.classroom20.com,2013-01-19:649749:Comment:9049532013-01-19T18:16:45.435ZColin Chaplinhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/ColinChaplin
<p>I still agree!!! It's a hard one to call I think, and as you've said, issues with both paths. Prompted by Ellie's reply, the notion of students being intimidated and having feelings of insignificance when in the presence of someone well known could be counterproductive?</p>
<p>I still agree!!! It's a hard one to call I think, and as you've said, issues with both paths. Prompted by Ellie's reply, the notion of students being intimidated and having feelings of insignificance when in the presence of someone well known could be counterproductive?</p> Hi Melissa,
Thank you for y…tag:www.classroom20.com,2013-01-19:649749:Comment:9051172013-01-19T18:10:53.158ZColin Chaplinhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/ColinChaplin
<p>Hi Melissa, </p>
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<p>Thank you for your reply. I like the idea of a successful 'on-tour' guitarist not being able to read music!!! However, as long as he kept that to himself, he would make a brilliant guest speaker/lecturer... very inspirational. BUT, are there jealous types out there who would not ask him to come in and teach, out of sheer spite???</p>
<p>Hi Melissa, </p>
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<p>Thank you for your reply. I like the idea of a successful 'on-tour' guitarist not being able to read music!!! However, as long as he kept that to himself, he would make a brilliant guest speaker/lecturer... very inspirational. BUT, are there jealous types out there who would not ask him to come in and teach, out of sheer spite???</p> Ellie, you are wonderful with…tag:www.classroom20.com,2013-01-19:649749:Comment:9049512013-01-19T18:07:20.441ZColin Chaplinhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/ColinChaplin
<p>Ellie, you are wonderful with the words!!! Love your reply. Please, what is 'aspirate'? Anyway, to bring the best out of others is a great way to look at it. Following on from your point, a student could feel intimidated by having a 'well known' or successful teacher, and have feelings of insignificance. This of course would be totally counterproductive. So, bring on the real teachers...</p>
<p>Ellie, you are wonderful with the words!!! Love your reply. Please, what is 'aspirate'? Anyway, to bring the best out of others is a great way to look at it. Following on from your point, a student could feel intimidated by having a 'well known' or successful teacher, and have feelings of insignificance. This of course would be totally counterproductive. So, bring on the real teachers...</p>