Are they really digital natives? - Classroom 2.02024-03-29T06:49:54Zhttps://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/649749:Topic:48203?feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks, Mathew
I completly ag…tag:www.classroom20.com,2008-12-15:649749:Comment:2348912008-12-15T21:48:14.021ZLucia Mourellehttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/LuciaMourelle
Thanks, Mathew<br />
I completly agree with your opinions and I also agree with Steve about their superficiality, they can have a poor vocabulary on this language but they are native speakers!no accent when they speak!<br />
Un abrazo desde Buenos Aires!<br />
Lucia
Thanks, Mathew<br />
I completly agree with your opinions and I also agree with Steve about their superficiality, they can have a poor vocabulary on this language but they are native speakers!no accent when they speak!<br />
Un abrazo desde Buenos Aires!<br />
Lucia That word "assumptions" has c…tag:www.classroom20.com,2008-12-13:649749:Comment:2338652008-12-13T01:34:35.498ZTom Liam Lynchhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/TomLiamLynch
That word "assumptions" has come up a few times in a few posts. I think it's the right one, too. Adults sometimes mistake, in my mind, students lack of intimidation for excess of knowledge and skills. I don't think this is the case at all. No more than a student's ability to read and write conveys their deftness at literary analysis. While the former is necessary for the latter, it would be naive to mistake the two. This is why new literacies deserve their own place in schools' curricula, not…
That word "assumptions" has come up a few times in a few posts. I think it's the right one, too. Adults sometimes mistake, in my mind, students lack of intimidation for excess of knowledge and skills. I don't think this is the case at all. No more than a student's ability to read and write conveys their deftness at literary analysis. While the former is necessary for the latter, it would be naive to mistake the two. This is why new literacies deserve their own place in schools' curricula, not simply relegated to the periphery, but infused into pedagogy.<br />
- TLL I find that my students only…tag:www.classroom20.com,2008-11-29:649749:Comment:2251062008-11-29T02:44:44.041ZLisa Heidhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/LisaHeid
I find that my students only know social networking on the internet. Any other program and they are at a complete loss. I too found myself overestimating their ability based on assumptions that I made about their ability. I now take the time to go over everything, and have learned to not make assumptions about technology usage.
I find that my students only know social networking on the internet. Any other program and they are at a complete loss. I too found myself overestimating their ability based on assumptions that I made about their ability. I now take the time to go over everything, and have learned to not make assumptions about technology usage. I have only just joined this…tag:www.classroom20.com,2008-11-25:649749:Comment:2225952008-11-25T09:18:39.006ZHelen Digbyhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/Helen39
I have only just joined this community but this is an issue that has been burning my brain for quite some time . . . I haven't read all the discussion (I will!) but I am already compelled to throw in my 10 cents worth (which should probably be $1 given the <i>global financial crisis</i>lol) . .<br />
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. . .I like the point Mathew made . . .kids do look to technology as the first place to solve a problem, in a sense they do 'think in technology' however it is obvious they still have a lot of the…
I have only just joined this community but this is an issue that has been burning my brain for quite some time . . . I haven't read all the discussion (I will!) but I am already compelled to throw in my 10 cents worth (which should probably be $1 given the <i>global financial crisis</i>lol) . .<br />
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. . .I like the point Mathew made . . .kids do look to technology as the first place to solve a problem, in a sense they do 'think in technology' however it is obvious they still have a lot of the language to learn . . . and this idea sits nicely with Steve's point about not being afraid of the VCR . . . I still read the manual first whereas my teenage nephews just pick up and play . . . however they do not always think smart with the technology choices they make.<br />
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But to continue the analogy, if they knew everything they needed to know about the english language simply by learning to speak why then do we continue to teach english as a subject in to VCE/matriculation?? As an aunty and a teacher I find the children in my life often ask questions about technology - how it works, what they can do with it, where to find things/tools on the internet - that as 'natives' I would assume they know but clearly they still need someone to at least hold their hands while they walk on ground they are not totally familiar with.<br />
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At this stage in the Age of Technology I think the 'natives' and the 'tourists' actually each have part of the key . . . and still need to work together. I don't think we will truly have technology natives until this generation of children become parents!! I know a lot of adults (inclu…tag:www.classroom20.com,2008-11-10:649749:Comment:2128922008-11-10T11:56:35.176ZSandyhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/Sandy98
I know a lot of adults (including teachers) who still see email as an incoming service, with the added function of occasionally forwarding something funny, gross, or heart wrenching. For these people, just returning a "thanks" or "message received" seems beyond their consideration. )Often, my digital native nephews seem to fall in this category as well).<br />
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I know a lot of adults (including teachers) who still see email as an incoming service, with the added function of occasionally forwarding something funny, gross, or heart wrenching. For these people, just returning a "thanks" or "message received" seems beyond their consideration. )Often, my digital native nephews seem to fall in this category as well).<br />
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<a href="http://www.widecircles.com">Social Bookmarking</a> Hey this article seems to be…tag:www.classroom20.com,2008-11-06:649749:Comment:2110022008-11-06T08:41:20.377Zalexhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/alex44
Hey this article seems to be related for the kids. And it is a nice to see it.<br />
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Hey this article seems to be related for the kids. And it is a nice to see it.<br />
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[url=http://www.widecircles.com]Social Bookmarking[/url] Of course they do but at 15 -…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-12-22:649749:Comment:911242007-12-22T20:46:20.742ZKelly Christophersonhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/kellywc
Of course they do but at 15 - 17 they don't and that is where what we are doing now, having them memorize and fill in the blanks, is falling down. Ask them to give an example of a Hamlet, someone who has good intentions but is also driven by the desire of power, and see what they say. Or how people aren't always as they appear or what letting pride get in the way of our human relationships can do for us or... Have them examine how Shakespeare, back in his day, was able to grasp the interplay…
Of course they do but at 15 - 17 they don't and that is where what we are doing now, having them memorize and fill in the blanks, is falling down. Ask them to give an example of a Hamlet, someone who has good intentions but is also driven by the desire of power, and see what they say. Or how people aren't always as they appear or what letting pride get in the way of our human relationships can do for us or... Have them examine how Shakespeare, back in his day, was able to grasp the interplay and relationships of people better than anyone and show it on stage so that it amused and entertained, seeing themselves yet not. But don't have them memorize the stuff or even read it in Middle English. That's just cruel!<br />
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Schools spend way too much time worrying if youth can fill in the blanks properly instead of working on the human interactions and building on that in a context of here and now. History has its lessons but only if we can tie them to the here and now. We are living history at this moment. How will the future judge us - by what we are creating or what we are filling in? Kelly, what I think I'm sayin…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-12-22:649749:Comment:910792007-12-22T14:01:00.208ZEd Joneshttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/EdJones
Kelly, what I think I'm saying is, you can't "understand the intricacies of human interaction as portrayed through the tragic characters of Othello, Hamlet, Macbeth or Lear" <b>if you haven't read and heard them</b>. And the average kid isn't going to pick them up later in life if they haven't been exposed earlier. Not that I could have grasped those things at 17, my brain wasn't so wired. I didn't find them interesting; I barely do now.<br />
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Yet I am thankful that I was exposed to them; had some…
Kelly, what I think I'm saying is, you can't "understand the intricacies of human interaction as portrayed through the tragic characters of Othello, Hamlet, Macbeth or Lear" <b>if you haven't read and heard them</b>. And the average kid isn't going to pick them up later in life if they haven't been exposed earlier. Not that I could have grasped those things at 17, my brain wasn't so wired. I didn't find them interesting; I barely do now.<br />
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Yet I am thankful that I was exposed to them; had some of them explained. More directly, I wish my teachers had been able to step up the intensity of nearly everything we did, Shakespeare and Dante included. Most grads and dropouts say the same. Durff,
The how of what? What…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-12-22:649749:Comment:910422007-12-22T05:19:00.672ZKelly Christophersonhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/kellywc
Durff,<br />
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The how of what? What's with the need to label everything? Use, incorporate, influence and expand. This discussion has been going on for far too long and, really, has taken up far too much time. People use technology, some better than others regardless of age. Some understand better than others and incorporate at a much faster rate.<br />
Finally, Prensky was a programmer trying to sell games. He found an analogy that worked at the time. It's past - let's leave it there.
Durff,<br />
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The how of what? What's with the need to label everything? Use, incorporate, influence and expand. This discussion has been going on for far too long and, really, has taken up far too much time. People use technology, some better than others regardless of age. Some understand better than others and incorporate at a much faster rate.<br />
Finally, Prensky was a programmer trying to sell games. He found an analogy that worked at the time. It's past - let's leave it there. I was assigned to a new build…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-12-22:649749:Comment:909922007-12-22T01:40:05.531ZKelley Irishhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/kirish43
I was assigned to a new building this year and have run into many of the same issues. So many of my 8th graders have My Space Accounts but had no idea how to use many of the Web 2.0 tools.My first job was to explain how to remove personal information from their account I encourage the use of avatars insteads of photo's, stressed the importance of not using last names, and explained that their is no such thing as privacy on the internet!<br />
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I have had to play catchup in a major way with my 8th…
I was assigned to a new building this year and have run into many of the same issues. So many of my 8th graders have My Space Accounts but had no idea how to use many of the Web 2.0 tools.My first job was to explain how to remove personal information from their account I encourage the use of avatars insteads of photo's, stressed the importance of not using last names, and explained that their is no such thing as privacy on the internet!<br />
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I have had to play catchup in a major way with my 8th graders to get them ready for High School. In one semester (4 days a week) I have taught digital photography with photo editing, scrapblog, Programing with Alice and HTML, simple Pod casts using PhotoStory, and loads of O. S. funtionality. Most did not know how to make a new folder, choose desktop thmes, format pictures in word, or merge data! Lots of them apparently thought the computer was a video game system! They have been pleasantly surprised to be able to use citation makers, timelines, slide shows ,and so many of the on-line tools that have helped them with their school projects.