PowerPointless - Classroom 2.02024-03-29T12:36:32Zhttps://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/649749:Topic:3899?feed=yes&xn_auth=noWith the correct printed mate…tag:www.classroom20.com,2021-07-20:649749:Comment:13409812021-07-20T07:50:06.355ZCristopher Lemmyhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/CristopherLemmy
<p><span>With </span><span class="words">the correct</span><span> </span><span class="words">printed material</span><span> and </span><span class="words">introductory</span><span> </span><span class="words">cost</span><span>, it is </span><span class="words">conceivable</span><span> for a </span><span class="words">outside</span><span> citizen to open a <a href="http://www.confiduss.com/en/jurisdictions/austria/business/bank-account-opening/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">bank account in…</a></span></p>
<p><span>With </span><span class="words">the correct</span><span> </span><span class="words">printed material</span><span> and </span><span class="words">introductory</span><span> </span><span class="words">cost</span><span>, it is </span><span class="words">conceivable</span><span> for a </span><span class="words">outside</span><span> citizen to open a <a href="http://www.confiduss.com/en/jurisdictions/austria/business/bank-account-opening/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">bank account in Austria</a>. This opportunity for </span><span class="words">universal</span><span> accounts and </span><span class="words">ventures</span><span> offers </span><span class="words">a few</span><span> </span><span class="words">preferences</span><span> based on </span><span class="words">financial</span><span> </span><span class="words">controls</span><span> and </span><span class="words">assess</span><span> structures. </span><span class="words">Intrigued</span><span> rates, </span><span class="words">charge</span><span> laws, and </span><span class="words">expenses</span><span> </span><span class="words">shift</span><span> depending on the specific </span><span class="words">nation</span><span> in which </span><span class="words" title="">you're<span> </span></span><span class="words">contributing</span><span>; </span><span class="words">cautious</span><span> </span><span class="words" title="">inquire about</span><span> and </span><span class="words">key</span><span> </span><span class="words">monetary</span><span> moves </span><span class="words">may</span><span> result in </span><span class="words">critical</span><span> portfolio growth.</span></p> That was exactly the point I…tag:www.classroom20.com,2010-11-03:649749:Comment:5253772010-11-03T21:08:27.276Zjames thornburghhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/jamesthornburgh
That was exactly the point I was trying to make on the other thread <a href="http://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/is-technology-essential-to" target="_blank">http://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/is-technology-essential-to</a>
That was exactly the point I was trying to make on the other thread <a href="http://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/is-technology-essential-to" target="_blank">http://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/is-technology-essential-to</a> At the college I go to, power…tag:www.classroom20.com,2010-11-03:649749:Comment:5253552010-11-03T19:56:59.644ZTamarahttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/Tamara604
At the college I go to, powerpoints seem to be the main thing teachers use to teach their lessons. Powerpoints are good tools to present main ideas and place them all in one spot; it serves as a good guideline for the presenter so they can stay on topic. However, powerpoints are <i>really</i> boring. They don't promote any interaction in the audience and all you're doing is reading words on a giant screen. It's like a giant, electronic textbook.
At the college I go to, powerpoints seem to be the main thing teachers use to teach their lessons. Powerpoints are good tools to present main ideas and place them all in one spot; it serves as a good guideline for the presenter so they can stay on topic. However, powerpoints are <i>really</i> boring. They don't promote any interaction in the audience and all you're doing is reading words on a giant screen. It's like a giant, electronic textbook. Yeah, I'm needing to move awa…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-11:649749:Comment:42012007-04-11T00:16:02.466ZAlice Mercerhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/mizmercer
Yeah, I'm needing to move away from this. It's my natural inclination to have my chat match the slide. There has been talk for years (before this study) about not having your patter match your slide (you elaborate). Thank you for reminding me of this, and I promise to do better.
Yeah, I'm needing to move away from this. It's my natural inclination to have my chat match the slide. There has been talk for years (before this study) about not having your patter match your slide (you elaborate). Thank you for reminding me of this, and I promise to do better. There has been a good balance…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-10:649749:Comment:41302007-04-10T16:47:50.880ZBarbarahttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/babs2teach
There has been a good balance of responses here that highlight both the good and the bad. The article which persuaded me is by Doug Johnson <a href="http://www.education-world.com/a_tech/columnists/johnson/johnson003.shtm">http://www.education-world.com/a_tech/columnists/johnson/johnson003.shtm</a><br />
I love his first point- power point does not bore people, people bore people.<br />
Productivity applications tend to be neutral ...it is all about how we use them and I think we need to teach effective…
There has been a good balance of responses here that highlight both the good and the bad. The article which persuaded me is by Doug Johnson <a href="http://www.education-world.com/a_tech/columnists/johnson/johnson003.shtm">http://www.education-world.com/a_tech/columnists/johnson/johnson003.shtm</a><br />
I love his first point- power point does not bore people, people bore people.<br />
Productivity applications tend to be neutral ...it is all about how we use them and I think we need to teach effective use of the right tool for the right purpose....<br />
I find that students in our middle school and Junior High need a lot of work on their oral presentation skills and we use power point to help facilitate this and to help them be clear and concise in their slides. All these links are great! On…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-10:649749:Comment:41262007-04-10T16:41:53.550ZSylvia Martinezhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/smartinez
All these links are great! One other article specific to school use of PowerPoint is from Gary Stager at District Administration magazine, <a href="http://www.stager.org/articles/pointing.html">Pointing in the Wrong Direction</a>.
All these links are great! One other article specific to school use of PowerPoint is from Gary Stager at District Administration magazine, <a href="http://www.stager.org/articles/pointing.html">Pointing in the Wrong Direction</a>. Elizabeth, great post. Genera…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-10:649749:Comment:40752007-04-10T14:07:48.225ZTom Kennedyhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/tjkenn
Elizabeth, great post. Generally, I think it is the overuse of presentations that is a problem and the examples of effective use by other posters are valid. What I want to add is not about teachers using presentations and resultant cognitive overload but student use.<br />
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Presentations are overused in the elementary and middle school classroom where kids create their digital reports as presentations and teachers think that this is somehow superior to the written report. If all they are doing is…
Elizabeth, great post. Generally, I think it is the overuse of presentations that is a problem and the examples of effective use by other posters are valid. What I want to add is not about teachers using presentations and resultant cognitive overload but student use. <br />
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Presentations are overused in the elementary and middle school classroom where kids create their digital reports as presentations and teachers think that this is somehow superior to the written report. If all they are doing is copying and pasting the text of the traditional report into the presentation that's a big waste of tim. If the presentation is taught as another means of representing information, with effective visuals (charts or otherwise) then it makes some sense to use them. <br />
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One of the best uses of presentations is in teaching visual literacy. Asking kids to decide which visuals/images enhance understanding as opposed to just plugging in an image for the sake of having it supports higher order thinking and ultimately can enhance visual literacy. The use of bullets and the necessity of concise language in the form of short phrases supports note taking and summarizing, both difficult concepts for kids. <br />
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Like many things tech, its the manner in which it is used that determines its effectiveness or ineffectiveness. <br />
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Another critic of PP is Edward Tufte, author of "Envisioning Information" and "The Visual Display of Quantitative Information." His critical essay is titled, "The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint, Pitching Out Corrupts Within." <a href="http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books_pp">http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books_pp</a> It is worth noting that John…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-10:649749:Comment:40192007-04-10T10:24:35.606ZChris Crafthttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/crafty184
It is worth noting that John Sweller is credited with developing Cognitive Load Theory, worth looking into for this discussion.<br />
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It is true that reading the slides causes too much load on working memory. Ineffective presentations can also cause students to think in bullet points, taking them away from higher order thinking.<br />
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I am going to try and embed a slideshare I did for the College of William & Mary regarding presentation techniques. If it doesn't work, you can use this link...…
It is worth noting that John Sweller is credited with developing Cognitive Load Theory, worth looking into for this discussion.<br />
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It is true that reading the slides causes too much load on working memory. Ineffective presentations can also cause students to think in bullet points, taking them away from higher order thinking.<br />
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I am going to try and embed a slideshare I did for the College of William & Mary regarding presentation techniques. If it doesn't work, you can use this link...<br />
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<a href="http://www.slideshare.net/cmcraft/dont-read-to-me-a-presentation-on-presentations">http://www.slideshare.net/cmcraft/dont-read-to-me-a-presentation-on...</a><br />
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Ok it did work I think. Cool... I like the concept of Present…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-10:649749:Comment:40072007-04-10T09:46:47.785ZKevin H.https://www.classroom20.com/profile/dogtrax
I like the concept of <b>Presentation as Performance</b> since it puts creative power in the hands of the creator/artist/presenter and PP may be just one tool of the trade (overused as it is). Too often, we let our tools take over our intentions and allow the limitations of those tools to dictate how we create. (I won't use the term Think out of the Box, but you can see where that phrase came from -- probably somebody who was just sick and tired of seeing the same idea over and over again, just…
I like the concept of <b>Presentation as Performance</b> since it puts creative power in the hands of the creator/artist/presenter and PP may be just one tool of the trade (overused as it is). Too often, we let our tools take over our intentions and allow the limitations of those tools to dictate how we create. (I won't use the term Think out of the Box, but you can see where that phrase came from -- probably somebody who was just sick and tired of seeing the same idea over and over again, just dressed up differently)<br />
Kevin The teachers in my grad schoo…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-10:649749:Comment:39322007-04-10T03:57:43.763Znlowellhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/nlowell
The teachers in my grad school class were all agog when I told them that I thought PowerPoint was evil. I wrote this for them in my class blog:<br />
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<a href="http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2006/09/18/why-powerpoint-is-evil/">Why Powerpoint is Evil</a><br />
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I do *not* use PowerPoint in class because my classes are all at a distance. I don't use it when I make a presentation as a rule. There have been some exceptions and everytime I make an exception, I regret it. I don't ask my students to use it, in…
The teachers in my grad school class were all agog when I told them that I thought PowerPoint was evil. I wrote this for them in my class blog: <br />
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<a href="http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2006/09/18/why-powerpoint-is-evil/">Why Powerpoint is Evil</a> <br />
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I do *not* use PowerPoint in class because my classes are all at a distance. I don't use it when I make a presentation as a rule. There have been some exceptions and everytime I make an exception, I regret it. I don't ask my students to use it, in fact, I discourage my students FROM using it. That's just me. And remember, my students are K-12 teachers looking for a Master's degree, not kids in elementary or secondary school. <br />
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There *are* some good Powerpoint examples:<br />
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<a href="http://www.presentationzen.com/presentationzen/2005/09/living_large_ta.html">Takahashi Method</a> : It works for Japanese where a single character is both word and picture. I've tried these with single words in English. It's not so pretty, but it's better than the normal word-glut.<br />
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<a href="http://identity20.com/media/OSCON2005/">Dick Hardt's presentation on Identity 2.0</a> is a classic. You have to watch it to really see how it goes. The information on identity and credentials is good, but watch it for the technique. <br />
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<a href="http://lessig.org/freeculture/free.html">Laurence Lessig</a> is probably the modern master of Powerpoint and Dick Hardt lists him as an influence on his presentation style. <br />
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The point is <b>Presentation is Performance</b>. Too often we use Powerpoint to distract from performance by putting the action on the screen instead of in the minds of the audience. <br />
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Your Mileage May Vary.